Personally I could never understand what they were going on about, and even after trying to get into it again years later I still find myself preferring Mario 64 and having a lot more fun with that. I like Sunshine, I think it's fun but I would not hesitate to bring it up to defend 3d Sonic games (before they were boost to win games of course), it's the player not the game. The GameCube platformer is a flawed yet ambitious gem that I tried so hard to love. You get to go back to not just the beginning of the level, but the island where you entered.. To then have to go back into M warp thing, then select your level again, then try again. It's annoying but I can deal. Galaxy, however, is sublime and continues to hold up to this day. No joke. Child's play compared to the watermelon festival and pachinko levels. I would have given it another chance, but they ruines it by not even giving an option for the original (inverted y-axis) controls. I actually think Sunshine fares better in this compilation than the original GC release. Somebody's having a round of drinks somewhere in the world. Ive even seen clips of Mario straight up clipping through solid objects through no fault of the player, showcasing a lack of polish which radiates through every single aspect of Sunshine. What I mainly refer It's a rough game, collision and physics are weird, the camera can be pretty bad, many shines can be really frustrating. Hosted by 44 Bytes. and our But years ago I was a kid with 3 video games and not a ton of options so I think that was particularly motivating. I've said that for years despite how en vogue it became to call it "the best 3D Mario game." I never played sunshine and galaxy back then, but started sunshine last saturday. This ability appears to be developed and practiced, as is the case with two particular Piantas in Ricco Harbor. I haven't played it since the gamecube was new so I am looking forward to playing it again just to see if my opinion has changed. It has never been a highlight Mario game for me but I always thought it had some charm. I don't know anyone who likes it who was an adult when it came out. @BulbasaurusRex in my experience, I'd say sunshine has less than 5% the amount of bugs Sonic 06 has, so I do not see why you are comparing the two, not to mention sunshine has zero game breaking bugs, and nothing, NOTHING remotely close to bugs as distracting as Sonic 06's. But some of the oddities like getting stuck on the edge of a platform and stuff, yeah, that happens. But I just don't understand how a kid back then playing it on the GameCube could beat most of the levels. Games have been made easier over time so this isnt a problem also most old Mario games the Japanese versions are harder. Having said all that it would be pretty boring if we all enjoyed the same things. Especially those sections without FLUDD. So Ive had more than a few deaths where Ive simply tried to drop from a ledge to the platform below, and somehow overshot? I just play in 10-minute increments because my patience is so low. I can see why people struggle with it, never really understood the hate though. Its long been known that it was rushed in order to ensure that it came out during the GameCubes second year, and it shows. Feature: 17 Things You Might Not Know About Zelda: Breath Join 1,355,314 people following Nintendo Life: 2022 Hookshot Media, partner of ReedPop. For every person like me there is someone who considers it the best Mario game. Smh. I kinda feel bad for a lot of people playing it for the first time after hearing everyone online rave about how great the game was in recent years. Just shows how unpolished (by Nintendo standards) Super Mario Sunshine is. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. Haters gonna hate. @mariomaster96 Miyamoto retire is a dumb reaction to Sunshine, assuming its sincere - but I suspect its tongue-in-cheek. On a serious note, I did get 120 Shines back in the day and I am just not as good as I was back then. Honestly Ive never run into collision bugs or any bugs that I remember. @Jmjfrank That's fair. @BulbasaurusRex I doubt you should be bashing the level so harshly if you haven't even played it yourself. Edit: Finished the chuckster thanks to hlep on here. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Super Mario Sunshine is frustrating. Even as a kid, it was a game I grew continually frustrated with thanks to a litany of unusual design decisions and a tonal atmosphere that Mario would never revisit again. I'm pretty sure the only people who like it were children when it came out so played it a lot and have nostalgia for it. as well as giving us a way to turn them back on for fun. Super Mario Sunshine is an intensely frustrating game. Now i'll just stick to 64 and Galaxy, which were always much better games anyway. There are frustrating parts on Mario 64 especially fiddling with the camera and completing Tick Tock Clock. @PipeGuy64Bit Wow.. isnt it fun how players would rather skip chunks of a MARIO game rather than play it. I remember the first game I played on the Gamecube, Luigi's Mansion. Check out his channel here:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRwczJ_nk1t9IGHyHfHbXRQ It was wonderful, and fills me with a whimsical joy that the divisive GameCube classic has never been capable of. Even back when I was little and unable to beat the game, the sand bird has never given me any trouble. I have in fact played 64.. New Movie News, Movie Trailers & upcoming Movie Reviews. But yes I will still absolutely be playing through the entire game because I love it as much as I hate it. In fact, it really . You find mario sunshine frustrating because it is frustrating. @bigpale "It's not even the best 3D platforming game on the Gamecube.". Sunshine is remarkably easy. . Disappointingly, the camera bogs what are truly good controls and prevents the player from reaching difficult places more easily. <3. Im loving this collection but it is buggy, just as it always was. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P4wiTaUSo0. Mario Sunshine ,always the same glitchy lovable mess, Oh okay, that's actually where I was trying to rocket to, Random: Switch Owners Are Discovering Just How Frustrating Super Mario Sunshine Can Be, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P4wiTaUSo0, https://www.twitch.tv/rudycthree/clip/SpunkyInterestingTroutOSfrog. Nooooooooo, really? Yep its definitely a buggy mess with lots of control issues. @HobbitGamer I guess we arent all as good at this game as you are. Or it could be just as much of an eyesore and make the other games . I hope the people tweeting "Miyamoto retire" will tweet a "nevermind" response once they get around to Galaxy. For the first few beginning I loved it! The episode select will have 1-7 available upon completing the glitch and you simply select episode 7 to get the required shine from Gelato Beach. I do like the idea of sunshine with the fludd however and the aesthetics are great but it really is flawed and will still finish the game because i want to. Good gods. Lost Levels was crazy cool when All-Stars came out because it was a new Mario built like SMB with weird mushrooms and crazy difficulty. You played 64 yet? Mario uses him to clean up graffiti, blast himself into the air like he's wearing a jetpack, and take on all manner of attachments to jump atop platforms and solve puzzles. Credits -Thumbnail Chibis and Elly Sparks created by SweetPastelshttps://linktr.ee/SweetPastels Mario Sunshine is a mediocre, half-assed video game shoved out the door prematurely because the Gamecube needed games. The Runaway Ferris Wheel is a level in Super Mario Sunshine's Pinna Park. Have these people ever played one? By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. 64 felt kinda whatever, as its bad camera angles and weird controls made it annoying. Of course it is not perfect, but it is not as bad as most people make it sound. Plus PC allows 60fps which is a huge bonus. Super Mario Sunshine. Ive been playing it normally and its been breaking for me too. The only real frustration the game has is collecting blue coins. Very challenging to get every shine. It gets old, honestly. I remember being really disappointed with Sunshine back when it was originally released on the Gamecube all those years ago. A year and a half in development probably wasn't long enough. Omg..the game was made in 2002. I watched all the videos this morning, laughing at how ridiculous it looked. It's basically just runing and jumping. Jade King is Lead Features Editor for TheGamer. You Guys Are The BEST!-----. I mean, that also happens in the worlds of more established arts, like books and movies. Obscure pick, sure. Ok so you die, in a level. You will get better at this in time. In my opinion, 64 and Galaxy have aged better. I'm aiming for the bare minimum for this one. I completed the game, but theres no way i was going to try the red coins for all the (already very frutrating) secrets. For more information, please see our Nintendo Wii Wii Home Games Guides Q&A Cheats Reviews Media Board Topic Archived Page of 6 Next Last You're browsing the GameFAQs. Click to shrink. These levels might be the best designed bits of 3d platforming I've ever encountered. Super Mario Sunshine can be loved a bit more now that's closer to the Mario elements it wanted so desperately to depart from. In Sunshine however there's a whole other system piled on to of it. Thank you though for pointing this out and saving me the hassle! Sunshine has always been a divisive game though. In his own dedicated game, FLUDD would have been fantastic, but hes combined with traditional platforming in a way that always feels like an obstacle to Sunshines potential greatness. Privacy Policy. 30fps can be hard to look past but it still looks good. Yoshi's Fruit Adventure: I didn't realize that you needed a pink Yoshi for . @Lindhardt I just finished this minigame and did it first time, but admittedly I do remember absolutely raging at this one when I was younger. I've never been more aggravated when playing them.. Don't get me wrong, the game is amazing.. Mario uses him to clean up graffiti, blast himself into the air like hes wearing a jetpack, and take on all manner of attachments to jump atop platforms and solve puzzles. I apologise to the nostalgia Ive just hurled into a bonfire and the childhoods Ive ruined by declaring such an obvious fact, but its an obtusely designed, inconsistent, and frustrating chapter in the plumbers legacy, and one I despise and admire in almost equal measure. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. now i remember how frustatred i was in the Pachinko level, that level make me so frustatred that i nearly destroyed my Controller out of frustation of this stupid/cursed level, if i see the reponsible for the Packinko level, that person is gonna have a very serious talk with me. They want to just breeze through. Became one of the most non-fun Mario experiences ever back then. I still suck at the controls of that game. While its still a good game in the grand scheme of things, its much less polished most main-series Mario installments. Should we turn in our gamer card? Sunshine just made me realize how empty and linear Galaxy games were. Both games glitches at to their charm in a way they're rough around the edges but have a lot of heart. Ah patience, young padawans. just imagine a ton of speed runs of the game with all of the glitches running along side the game working as it should. Galaxy has been good but a bit underwhelming until now. I don't think I'd enjoy them so much if they got remastered and were super polished. Oh my god. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. The one spark that keeps my on Sunshine is the satisfaction of finnaly beating that one level to increase in the story line. Yes it can be hard. Never saw them. Youll probably moan and say I just didnt master everything it has to offer, but I shouldnt need to have the technical prowess of a speedrunner to enjoy a game that is made for children. Lol, If you love the franchise you will love Sunshine even if it is 18 years old!! The music was awesome. It's not even the best 3D platforming game on the Gamecube. this is the reason Super Mario Odyssey is considered the best Mario game even if it is so bloody easy with no real challenge now, eat it you dumb players! Managed to clip through a wall in Noki bay just by trying to stop myself falling to the bottom. 1,440 Oct 20, 2020 #1 I'm talking about the ones where they rudely take the water pack away from you. Its like I am trolling him by telling him how good it was, he sees the cartoon graphics and innocent aesthetic but then gets drop kicked in the balls by how how punishingly hard it is. Being taken back to the plaza after you run out of lives, whatever. @mariomaster96 It wasn't perfect when it was brand new. I simply thought to myself, "Oh well, I guess I'm just gonna try another level." How did I enjoy this game so much as a kid? The underground joints in the back half of Mario 1 are infamous, as are the GIANT MURDER DRILLS FROM THE CEILING in the Wii days. I beat Galaxy years ago but that's my next stop anyway. @ProudGrimleal why? Acknowledging Sunshines flaws is totally reasonable, though. It felt good, even. Nintendo seriously F-Ed up with this one. Deleted member 24907 Banned Oct 29, 2017 5,354 Sep 28, 2018 I also find it interesting how highly praised galaxy is, whilst galaxy and 2 are good in their own rights, I always hated the controls of them - I still feel that way. Seeing this makes me want to though. Because there's already a couple worlds I have no desire to return to. Honestly, Sunshine has been my favourite without much competition. Same with Mario 64 at times. @Tchunga A bad workman always blames his tools. many get repetitive and Mario slides a lot, making some parkour hard, but WHY does everyone find the sand bird so bad?!?! A rushed game will forever be badSome hypocrite from Nintendo. That makes Super Mario Sunshine even more indispensable to any GameCube owner's library. I bought this game after a long time of craving it and not being able to find the Gamecube disk. @Jmjfrank You unfortunately can only skip episode 1 in Bianco Hills and go straight towards the top of the windmill to fight Petey for the episode 2 shine. Like the pinball 8 red coins. Click to expand. That said, I've played this game through at least twice, and I've never encountered any of these glitches. @V_Va yeah but is it miyamotos fault that it was rushed or it didn't get improved? Some of those aren't even bugs. Galaxy was fantastic after it. wahoo.+++++Join the Brisquad for emotes and other perks!https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuuAb_72QzK0M1USPMEl1yw/joinOfficial store/voice packs:https:. Super Mario Galaxy was the true successor to Super Mario 64. Maybe it's just nostalgia, I . Plus in retrospect I'm able to appreciate the different level styles than what we usually see from Mario games (desert, ice, fire, snow, forest, etc.). On the subject of Body Harvest, though Well, I mean, I loved that game, but I was never under any illusion that it wasn't horribly flawed. Sunshine deserves a proper remaster, or sequel. @JayJ I'd like 64 more if the camera wasn't such a motion sickness-inducing nightmare, now i remember how frustatred i was in the Pachinko. "It's okay if you don't finish Sunshine because Nintendo didn't either. @MegaMari0 A delayed game will eventually be good. The only other skip in the game is a difficult to learn glitch in Gelato Beach that allows you to skip episodes 1-6 which includes the infamous sand bird level. On my latest playthrough, I aced the toxic river challenge using only the lilypad on my first try. @AlienX Dreamcast Sonic Adventure had lots of bugs. @ferroreo Sure, Sonic '06 is much worse in that regard, but the point is still valid that increasing a game's difficulty level by such artificial means is never a good thing, and I'm talking about the wonky physics just as much as the actual bugs. Hey. I consider Mario Sunshine to be the Sonic Adventure of the Mario series (not just cause of bugs, but the hub world, the FMV cut scenes with voice acting, the shadow Mario story etc) Nintendo was definitely influenced by it. Nintendo weren't content to simply remake Super Mario 64 with better graphics, they made something that pushed the envelope. . I beat super ghouls n ghosts all the time because the controls work and its a good challenge. 64 and Sunshine really should have gotten a full remake. Better not save after that. I always wanted to play Sunshine, the one Mario I never played. Also, for an island theme game, swimming sucks. I cant wait to play 2 again, if that ends up coming. Ive seen plenty of comments here complaining about some of my favourite games. Super Mario Sunshine isnt a good game. Body Harvest was a crazy game where you could run around a sandbox and drive different cars who all handled differently! @Crono1973 When you make a mistake it takes forever to get back to where you were. So I'll let you know how I like it in 10 years when I finish. Amazing setting, fantastic music, and a real challenge for seasoned gamers. They require perfect jumps, an obscene level of patience, and a knowledge of the games wonky physics that will have you screaming obscenities time and time again as your lives dwindle down into nothing. Man what a mess. Thats the point of mario games there not always easy.. @ferroreo I don't think gamers have that much of a problem with hard games like Cuphead, Bloodstained, or Deadcells I just think they like games that are a little(or a lot I quit the game half-way through to play galaxy) buggy and tedious like sunshine. It's called a video game. Who'd've guessed that a game with atrocious voice acting, as well as the two most notorious Mario levels to ever exist would EVER be THIS frustrating? It's even worse than Mario 64. @PipeGuy64Bit I think I'm just going to skip Sunshine lol. Far better than Mario 64. Haha, those out of bounds wall/floor clipping glitches have never happened to me, but the physics can be frustrating especially on the special courses! This is coming from someone who has no attachment to the games. I just struggled to fall in love with a platformer that controls like garbage and seems intent on angering me at every conceivable turn. The utmost accuracy required to accomplish some of the games trickier sections are continually trifled with an awful camera system and a combination of mechanical systems that just dont gel together. Now I realize, words don't sound too much like a joke when in lowercase. The ones most likely to turn you into a Shell-Shocked Veteran are as follows: It's a good game at its core, but there's just somethinginherently unenjoyable about it to me. Im not just spouting out this take for no good reason, I spent a chunk of the festive break with Super Mario Sunshine on Nintendo Switch and even a generous remaster couldnt protect this game from its own mediocrity. And yet it's still the best 3D Mario. Yeah, it was basically the same for me. I never encountered any bugs of this magnitude (or remember any really) on Sunshine either. But when I opened up I noticed that a game labeled "Super Mario Sunshine" Was on here, and I was even more hyped to play it. The story line, the characters, the levels, all just amazing. It evolved upon the stronger elements of Sunshine while casting aside all of the nonsense that either didnt work or actively made the game worse. I've been playing Sunshine the most out of the 3. And yet something about it is making me love it, as well. Super Mario Sunshine is an inarguably odd game. But the concept and the creativity are super solid and wonderful! We go back and reassess. Could be the broken camera Ok so like, I agree with a lot of people about certain levels being nightmares. Going from Sunshine to Galaxy feels like such a huge upgrade to the movement accuracy. I love this game Never found a glitch on the cube, gonna try this one ASAP. Super Mario Sunshine can be frustrating.. I only 100% games i enjoy, and i cant see this game getting old. (but not sports). cant relate i never played sunshine before and im loving it on 3d all stars i have 41 shines so far. Its buggy, the controls are ass, and some shines are just NOT fun at all. The worlds are stunning and the platforming is challenging. And I thought Super Mario 64 was really frustrating when I first played it, I never got the chance to play Sunshine, but who knows how difficult it could've been even with the F.L.U.D.D.! The characters feel so unique and almost everything felt like a brand new world. I know Sunshine wasn't received quite as well back in the day (it was really quite different from what many were expecting, especially after those Mario 1000 demos or whatever), so I'm curious if you feel the same way. And for those complaining about the camera, go back and play Mario 64 and you'll see that game had a bad camera. The Pachinko level is one of my least favourites in the game, it just "feels" wrong. Completing something really difficult is the best part of a game and having to learn how to beat the enemies and bosses is the fun part (in Odyssey every boss fight felt nearly identical). Some shortcuts eventually surface, but that does little to alleviate the annoyance of landing jumps that the game seems almost designed not to accommodate. My guess is that, as kids, everyone who played Sunshine spents days learning how to master the controls and completely forgot that there's a learning curve to it all. We judge a game negatively when it no longer seems modern instead of asking if it works within its internal logic. The thing is is that this is a significant improvement on the original! @HobbitGamer Ah, The Super Mario Sunshine Defence Force in full effect I see . Sep 21, 2020. hopefully, Nintendo will fix these glitches. In hindsight, those negative aspects were present years ago but were outweighed by the uniqueness of the package. Hes a great character in theory, but in practice the water machine is so frustrating. @Pojos98 uh, no. Decided to go replay some Gamecube games cause I'm bored (and broke), and put Sunshine in to play. Case in point: Pianta Village Chuckster Level-The physics make no sense-Their chucking is unpredictable from the slightest tilt of a camera angle Sunshine day 3Donate:https://streamlabs.com/lidugaming/tipBecome a Member:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMLPrfaI9j02WNYD0iq9Xog/joinSubscribe for more Gam. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Probably the most unpolished Mario ever yet still one of the most fun. Meanwhile however, I got a glitch in SM64 I had never seen before where in Tick Tock clock Mario died from seemingly just touching the air. Those are true nightmares. They are also punishing and incredibly frustrating since the margin for error is so low. It's weird and confusing even at its best, but I can't help but love the way Nintendo experimented with the Mario formula. Its because is (and was) a mess. I was going to put a description but I thought it would be funnier to just post a picture of the pachinko game. I don't exactly need to go back to play it to remember all that. In the intervening years . He's a great character in theory, but in practice the water machine is so frustrating. Galaxy is without a shred of a doubt the best of the three. But they usually arent Mario ones, so theyre free real estate. Pianta Throwers will usually toss Mario after he speaks to them. https://www.twitch.tv/rudycthree/clip/SpunkyInterestingTroutOSfrog. Honestly - I haven't experienced a ton of glitches. Once you do manage to best one it's so satisfying. Starting sunshine was, as you say, better than that. I clearly remember my brother and I just couldnt work out how to get Stand Tall on the Four Pillars to work, these days I cant understand why we couldnt! Its an awesome game! FLUDD adds water-squirting and hovering mechanics to the Mario jumping formula (along with a few other nozzle attachments later in the game). Now don't get me wrong, when Sunshine does something well? We could 100% then, I dont see what the problem is. Related: Pokemon Let's Go Deserves A Sequel. How the actual f are people getting frustrated by Sunshine but not 64? @ferroreo So Sonic '06 should be viewed as merely a challenging game? I think main frustrating part (aside from Corona Mountain) was getting booted out of the level if I died, especially since some of the ways to move from level to level were areas where it's easy to fall and lose a life (such as Bianco Hills' entrance to Pianta Village). It took me 5 attempts to do the Pachinko level yesterday, had to walk away from the game for 10 minutes to cool down haha. Repeat. Much of the language we use to describe them is tied to the concept of technical innovation, not artistic merit. Im glad we didnt receive a traditional sequel and the company instead decided to create something bold, memorable, and unique. It was really hard for me, but i think there are lot harder level in the game. Great way to get into video games lol. I started getting really aggravated with the game being stuck on the same level over and over and getting so far just to die.. One of the ones I hate the most is when you lose FLUDD.. Maybe people should find an old PS1 and play Croc, before playing Mario 64. After Super Mario 64 redefined games forever with its innovative approach to 3D platforming level design, Nintendo decided to turn this success on its head with a sequel that built upon everything it managed to achieve while simultaneously chucking its greatest achievements into a fire alongside your smouldering nostalgia. It's definitely one of the more challenging Mario titles though! @Kalmaro Id say some of Skyrims bugs enhance the gameplay, such as being able to side-jump up mountains, but when you cant complete a quest because the vital item spawned outside the area player characters can access, that doesnt enhance anything.

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